Then connect them to the Posi-Temp valve using teflon tape. Had a plumber do the valve rough in and then I put in a three piece surround. It is … Hanging beneath the belly cover is all the propane piping. The new valve sticks out too far so have about a 20mm gap to fill between the valve and the tiles. American Standard offers a number of rough-in valves for each configuration so you can design your ideal shower. They also put the valve for the shower too far in the wall too, luckily Rohl makes an extension kit for that valve otherwise we'd really be up a creek!! Showers come with anywhere from one to three handles: an all-in-one cold to hot control, double hot and cold taps, and the possible addition of the shower diverter valve. Now that all the painting and caulking is done, it was finally time to attach the shower trim plate and hot/cold lever. I think there is a tolerance 1/2" each way. I suppose it is probably also illegal for me … You use one of these by locking the base onto the valve housing and screwing the central screw into the hole on the valve stem for the handle. Is that even legal now? If shower valves are too deep or too shallow this will affect the look of the trim kit. DemiGod New Member. If you mount the valve body such that the plaster ground is 3/8" DEEPER than the FINISHED wall surface, the handle will be perfect. You can then tell if you have a thermostatic mixer shower instead of just a regular mixer shower because it will often have a button to stop the temperature from being set too high. This is SUPER important. Jump to Latest Follow ... the OP is incorrect in his assumption that its sticking out too far. If you want to prevent high water temperature that might scald you, make sure the valve is a thermostatic or pressure balanced valve. BTW, for all the other folks who have given me great tips, I have just received my deep rough-in kit from Kohler. Do a dry fit with a scrap of dryall, the valve trimmed out, and slide in a piece of tile to see what the finished product will look like. A new shower will have plumbing for the shower valve which installs in the wall cavity behind the wall with the shower head and adjustment knob. I do not want to open the wall up so the plumber can correct the pipes. That acts as a stop also for the handle on the Moentrol. Water flows directly through the faucet and into the bathtub when the diverter valve is open. Discussion in 'Plumbers' Talk' started by DemiGod, Aug 28, 2009. My best guess at this point is that the cable broke and the valve is still good. Here’s the problem, if the shower valve is set to the wrong depth, the trim kit won’t work properly. But if it’s a new style you’re after or features like preset temperatures or anti-scald protection, it’s time for replacement. Since the backerboard is not installed yet - essentially giving me access to the valve - would it be considered better to try and move the valve, or is a stem extension perfectly acceptable with no … Shower faucet sticks out almost an inch too much for tile. This isn’t good. Moen pressure-balance shower valves are designed so they sense hot and cold water pressure and keep them in balance, preventing the shower from sudden surges of hot or cold water. moen valve is too far back in the wall; Author: mjd445 (IL) i installed a new moen valve in my bathroom shower and i finnished the wall with tile Now my trim and shower handle will not mount on the valve is there something i could use to extend the valve out farther without tearing up the tile It was HIS mistake, and thats exactly what it … Most shower valves have a port on the bottom that allows you the ability to make a shower valve a tub/shower valve if the need arises. It worked like … Thanks All the pro plumbers said if the valve body is installed per the instructions, it sticks out too far, exposing too much shaft on the shower handle. If you have a thermostatic mixer shower, you’ll have a thermostatic mixer valve. We have a Moen Adler shower valve with a posi-temp cartridge #1222. I will be able to use all the other original parts. Moen Shower Valve Sticks out too much? The lower the flow rate (GPM) of the showerhead, the longer it takes for the water coming out of the shower to heat up.. This product extended the stem one inch farther out of the wall. Turns out, they put the mount for the wall faucets too far in the wall! Anyway, it is now too far recessed and the handle has a piece (which I forgot to take a picture) that fits over the stem. A Shower valve body rough in kit is the brass fixture inside the shower wall where the hot and cold water gets mixed to a comfortable warm temperature, perfect for your morning shower. Electric shower controls usually use a box on the wall. Tile backer boards (typically 1/2″) Once the hot and cold water is mixed, the shower rough in valve sends it out to the showerhead or tub spout. For example, the Moen 104421 cartridge puller works with 1200, 1222 and 1225 cartridges, and it makes other pullers for different models. Beside above, how do you test a shower valve? The wall trim plate attached fine but the lever was about an inch out away from the trim plate. Many times once the cbb and the tile is on the escuchin and handle work out. The gray water dump valve to the shower/bathroom tank has stopped functioning (since I'm a fulltimer, luckily it broke in the open position). Reason #6: Wrong Shower Valve Depth. 3. Double-check the valve size and model to make sure it matches your old cartridge. Its not set in stone. It seems to be the miracle I have been hoping for. The depth of the shower valve to the finished wall surface is critical -- too deep and the handle won't fit on the stem. Apparently when rough plumbed in the studding wasn't put back for enough or there was no backer board put on the sheetrock to give you the distance needed. The cartoons call for mounting the valve body FLUSH with the FINISHED WALL. Shower Cartridge. BEWARE that you have your plumber measure right and recess it in the wall far enough or it will look unfinished and there's nothing you can do about it, expect rip the tile and wall apart. The plumber is responsible for making the situation right to your satisfaction. The problem is that this is WRONG and if you follow the cartoons to the letter, the valve handle WILL stick out too far. Also the handle sticks out too far from the escutcheon. I no longer have access to the valve itself since dry wall, thinset, kerdi, and more thinset is surrounding the valve stem coming out of the wall. Shower Valve Roughed Too Far Forward! The water pipe that connects to the bathroom faucet also extends vertically to meet the showerhead. 4. It appears getting to everything will be a major hassle. Is there a trim piece I can get to cover this gap between the back plate and the handle? That chrome sleeve that the handle rides on is somewhat adjustable. If you have Moen faucet, you can usually find a model-specific cartridge puller for that faucet. This kit extends the valve out about 3/4". To fix short of tearing it off and doing it right I'd get a clear piece of acryllic then cut it out to be a half inch or larger larger than the circle of the shower mechanism . My unit has a full length belly cover. Every shower valve should be installed over solid blocking. Don't struggle with a stiff pull-out shower handle when a little silicone grease can fix it. How do these work? I have just replaced our shower valve, but have a problem. If the diverter sticks too far out and that sleeve is all the way against the diverter, the handle will just spin. Flow rate too low on shower head. For example, shower valves set too far outside the stud bay might have a gap between the tiled wall and escutcheon. When attempting to install shower body trim I am now realizing that the plumber installed the shower valve too close in the wall cavity and is sticking out too far. Diverter valves switch the distribution of water between the tub faucet and the shower head. (I uploaded this so I could show it to the guy at the plumbing store, but he said he couldn't access the internet from the computer at his desk. But don't go overboard or too high-end with your pick: "A custom shower curtain may not be machine-washable," points out Lindsay MacRae of the eponymous design firm in New York City. The handle sticks out about 3.75 inches+ from the finished wall ( the gap between the handle cover and the wall plate is about 1 1/4 inch. If your bath or shower faucet drips, you can fix the old shower valve and faucet with a few inexpensive replacement parts. We retiled our shower and it left the shower valve too far recessed. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task! Step two is to figure out how deep to set the Moen valve inside the stud wall. (If the spout and handles are worn, you can change them out, too.) If the valve is 1/4-3/8" too far back, will a 1" extension, then, make it stick way too far out? If you notice severe rust and corrosion while changing the shower valve, then you may need to change out the entire tub and shower valve assembly. :bang: The design I think is to allow leeway. And they knew we were going to tile. The fact that it sticks out too far means the valve was roughed in incorrectly. Didn’t realize everything was too far back until after it was wrestled into place. If your valve cartridge will not slide into the wall or seems too small for the slot, you may have bought the wrong size. So it’s critical to know the thickness of. Can anyone suggest the best way to get around this problem. Really? Choosing your shower rough-in valve is simple once you decide between a pressure balance valve or thermostatic valve set up. Some pull-out handles, such as those on many Price Pfister showers, can slowly become harder to pull out over time.A cartridge replacement can solve the problem, but often so can a little lubrication. Like all things that are frequently used and have moving parts, these shower handles can become worn down, clogged and damaged over time. To be honest, If the plumber roughed in the valve, it isnt on you to find this trim ring. As with any faucet brand, a Moen shower valve contains working parts that can go bad over time. It consists of longer SS screws, an extended valve stem, and a longer sleeve. 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