moen valve is too far back in the wall; Author: mjd445 (IL) i installed a new moen valve in my bathroom shower and i finnished the wall with tile Now my trim and shower handle will not mount on the valve is there something i could use to extend the valve out farther without tearing up the tile BEWARE that you have your plumber measure right and recess it in the wall far enough or it will look unfinished and there's nothing you can do about it, expect rip the tile and wall apart. To fix short of tearing it off and doing it right I'd get a clear piece of acryllic then cut it out to be a half inch or larger larger than the circle of the shower mechanism . Since the backerboard is not installed yet - essentially giving me access to the valve - would it be considered better to try and move the valve, or is a stem extension perfectly acceptable with no … Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death.PlumbingZone.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. The lower the flow rate (GPM) of the showerhead, the longer it takes for the water coming out of the shower to heat up.. Turns out, they put the mount for the wall faucets too far in the wall! The design I think is to allow leeway. The water pipe that connects to the bathroom faucet also extends vertically to meet the showerhead. For example, shower valves set too far outside the stud bay might have a gap between the tiled wall and escutcheon. We have a Moen Adler shower valve with a posi-temp cartridge #1222. Thanks The new valve sticks out too far so have about a 20mm gap to fill between the valve and the tiles. Step two is to figure out how deep to set the Moen valve inside the stud wall. 3. Had a plumber do the valve rough in and then I put in a three piece surround. Like all things that are frequently used and have moving parts, these shower handles can become worn down, clogged and damaged over time. That acts as a stop also for the handle on the Moentrol. Many times once the cbb and the tile is on the escuchin and handle work out. At that point it was either tear apart the drywall behind the valve, remove the surround, or give this a try. :bang: Moen Shower Valve Sticks out too much? The problem is that this is WRONG and if you follow the cartoons to the letter, the valve handle WILL stick out too far. The plumber is responsible for making the situation right to your satisfaction. Choosing your shower rough-in valve is simple once you decide between a pressure balance valve or thermostatic valve set up. Can anyone suggest the best way to get around this problem. You can then tell if you have a thermostatic mixer shower instead of just a regular mixer shower because it will often have a button to stop the temperature from being set too high. Water flows directly through the faucet and into the bathtub when the diverter valve is open. As with any faucet brand, a Moen shower valve contains working parts that can go bad over time. It appears getting to everything will be a major hassle. If you have a thermostatic mixer shower, you’ll have a thermostatic mixer valve. If you have Moen faucet, you can usually find a model-specific cartridge puller for that faucet. And they knew we were going to tile. So it’s critical to know the thickness of. (I uploaded this so I could show it to the guy at the plumbing store, but he said he couldn't access the internet from the computer at his desk. Is there a trim piece I can get to cover this gap between the back plate and the handle? If you mount the valve body such that the plaster ground is 3/8" DEEPER than the FINISHED wall surface, the handle will be perfect. Flow rate too low on shower head. Shower Valve Roughed Too Far Forward! When attempting to install shower body trim I am now realizing that the plumber installed the shower valve too close in the wall cavity and is sticking out too far. Here’s the problem, if the shower valve is set to the wrong depth, the trim kit won’t work properly. Shower Cartridge. All the pro plumbers said if the valve body is installed per the instructions, it sticks out too far, exposing too much shaft on the shower handle. If your bath or shower faucet drips, you can fix the old shower valve and faucet with a few inexpensive replacement parts. Now that all the painting and caulking is done, it was finally time to attach the shower trim plate and hot/cold lever. I no longer have access to the valve itself since dry wall, thinset, kerdi, and more thinset is surrounding the valve stem coming out of the wall. Didn’t realize everything was too far back until after it was wrestled into place. We retiled our shower and it left the shower valve too far recessed. I do not want to open the wall up so the plumber can correct the pipes. Is that even legal now? Do a dry fit with a scrap of dryall, the valve trimmed out, and slide in a piece of tile to see what the finished product will look like. To be honest, If the plumber roughed in the valve, it isnt on you to find this trim ring. The cartoons call for mounting the valve body FLUSH with the FINISHED WALL. You use one of these by locking the base onto the valve housing and screwing the central screw into the hole on the valve stem for the handle. Electric shower controls usually use a box on the wall. This kit extends the valve out about 3/4". Most shower valves have a port on the bottom that allows you the ability to make a shower valve a tub/shower valve if the need arises. But if it’s a new style you’re after or features like preset temperatures or anti-scald protection, it’s time for replacement. DemiGod New Member. I think there is a tolerance 1/2" each way. Showers come with anywhere from one to three handles: an all-in-one cold to hot control, double hot and cold taps, and the possible addition of the shower diverter valve. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task! They also put the valve for the shower too far in the wall too, luckily Rohl makes an extension kit for that valve otherwise we'd really be up a creek!! A new shower will have plumbing for the shower valve which installs in the wall cavity behind the wall with the shower head and adjustment knob. If shower valves are too deep or too shallow this will affect the look of the trim kit. It seems to be the miracle I have been hoping for. Once the hot and cold water is mixed, the shower rough in valve sends it out to the showerhead or tub spout. Shower outlet nipple sticks out too far! Its not set in stone. The wall trim plate attached fine but the lever was about an inch out away from the trim plate. American Standard offers a number of rough-in valves for each configuration so you can design your ideal shower. Shower faucet sticks out almost an inch too much for tile. A Shower valve body rough in kit is the brass fixture inside the shower wall where the hot and cold water gets mixed to a comfortable warm temperature, perfect for your morning shower. My unit has a full length belly cover. This is SUPER important. Every shower valve should be installed over solid blocking. Reason #6: Wrong Shower Valve Depth. The depth of the shower valve to the finished wall surface is critical -- too deep and the handle won't fit on the stem. I will be able to use all the other original parts. It worked like … But don't go overboard or too high-end with your pick: "A custom shower curtain may not be machine-washable," points out Lindsay MacRae of the eponymous design firm in New York City. Diverter valves switch the distribution of water between the tub faucet and the shower head. If you notice severe rust and corrosion while changing the shower valve, then you may need to change out the entire tub and shower valve assembly. Discussion in 'Plumbers' Talk' started by DemiGod, Aug 28, 2009. 4. If you want to prevent high water temperature that might scald you, make sure the valve is a thermostatic or pressure balanced valve. The handle sticks out about 3.75 inches+ from the finished wall ( the gap between the handle cover and the wall plate is about 1 1/4 inch. Then connect them to the Posi-Temp valve using teflon tape. Don't struggle with a stiff pull-out shower handle when a little silicone grease can fix it. How do these work? For example, the Moen 104421 cartridge puller works with 1200, 1222 and 1225 cartridges, and it makes other pullers for different models. The fact that it sticks out too far means the valve was roughed in incorrectly. I suppose it is probably also illegal for me … If the diverter sticks too far out and that sleeve is all the way against the diverter, the handle will just spin. Just enough to attach the handle. BTW, for all the other folks who have given me great tips, I have just received my deep rough-in kit from Kohler. My best guess at this point is that the cable broke and the valve is still good. If the valve is 1/4-3/8" too far back, will a 1" extension, then, make it stick way too far out? It consists of longer SS screws, an extended valve stem, and a longer sleeve. It is … Tile backer boards (typically 1/2″) Really? Double-check the valve size and model to make sure it matches your old cartridge. I have just replaced our shower valve, but have a problem. (If the spout and handles are worn, you can change them out, too.) The gray water dump valve to the shower/bathroom tank has stopped functioning (since I'm a fulltimer, luckily it broke in the open position). Also the handle sticks out too far from the escutcheon. That chrome sleeve that the handle rides on is somewhat adjustable. If your valve cartridge will not slide into the wall or seems too small for the slot, you may have bought the wrong size. Jump to Latest Follow ... the OP is incorrect in his assumption that its sticking out too far. Some pull-out handles, such as those on many Price Pfister showers, can slowly become harder to pull out over time.A cartridge replacement can solve the problem, but often so can a little lubrication. Apparently when rough plumbed in the studding wasn't put back for enough or there was no backer board put on the sheetrock to give you the distance needed. Hanging beneath the belly cover is all the propane piping. It was HIS mistake, and thats exactly what it … Beside above, how do you test a shower valve? This product extended the stem one inch farther out of the wall. This isn’t good. Anyway, it is now too far recessed and the handle has a piece (which I forgot to take a picture) that fits over the stem. Moen pressure-balance shower valves are designed so they sense hot and cold water pressure and keep them in balance, preventing the shower from sudden surges of hot or cold water. Will be able to use all the other folks who have given me great,! 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